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can I talk to you now about another

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much-publicized aspect of your life

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which is the sort of political views

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that you hold I'd like to particularly

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ask you as well because it's related to

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the film industry about that period in

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your career in Hollywood when you were

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to the forefront of the people who were

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black listing the alleged communist

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members of that's that's not a true

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statement well we were not black listing

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well you are they were they they were no

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they were black listing we didn't name

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anybody we stayed completely out of it

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and said we are Americans anybody that

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wanted to join us was fine

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we gave no names out to anybody at any

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time ever but are you but when you look

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back at that now genre this is the space

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of time I mean are you proud of what

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happened in Hollywood at that time I

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think it was probably a very necessary

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thing at the time because the radical

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liberals were going to take over our

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business and you wouldn't have had any

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pictures like that then no the seriously

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I mean do I mean were they in a position

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I mean the people who got kicked out of

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all it would surely that they were were

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kicked out

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well the oh wait a minute tell me who

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was killed all the people who left her

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on a stake for an example Carl Foreman

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you know Carl Foreman I mean was dalton

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trumbo tartan from Dalton Trumbo look

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what happened tonight it talks about

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Larry parks admitted did you been a

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commie and he went on working well he

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didn't work for some time he had a video

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he hadn't worked a helluva lot before

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that Eddie well no but I mean no but I

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mean these aren't people surely are they

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who you would expect to take over the

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industry well at the time it seemed

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rather serious and they were getting

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themselves into a position where they

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could control who would do the writing

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but it isn't it isn't it right that

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people of all shades of opinion should

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be able to make movies whether they be

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extreme right-wing or extreme at having

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any

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time that their that is their opinion

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fine but trouble there was that they

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were spouting by rote somebody else's

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way of life and that's our ever those

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fellas over there that's the way they

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want to live but we don't have to have

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it in our country no you could say of

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course that that was our you could sign

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up view yes because that your point of

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view was reflecting their capitalist we

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have life the American Way of life well

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I don't think that capitalist is such a

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an unpopular word you know it's 200

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years we've taken a wilderness and built

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a factory that feeds the world the farm

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or that supplies over on the farm that

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feeds the world and we boot been doing

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our best to help everybody out that that

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we can so I think it's a pretty good way

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of living I read an interview that you

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gave John in which you said you objected

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to high noon to the film itself you said

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it was an American and I saw that film

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and I guess a lot of people here in this

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audience would have seen that film and

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and I for the life of me can't see was

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an American about it well a whole city

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of people that have come across the

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plains and suffered all kinds of

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hardships are suddenly afraid to help

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out a sheriff because three men are

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coming into town that are tough now he

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goes to them and please them and he goes

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into the church and for some reason the

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women are all sitting on one side of the

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church in the men are sitting all on the

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other side of the church and he pleads

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his case and the men say no no no and

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the women get up and say you're yellow

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you're cowards I don't I don't think

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that ever happens in the United States

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then at the end of the picture he took

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the United States Marshal badge throw it

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down

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stepped on it walked off I think those

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things are just a little bit

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Eric really yeah it's amazing it's

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because I mean I've seen that film not

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once but four five times well you saw

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those things do they strike you as being

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this is the truth

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a true picture the Pioneer West no but

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are a picture of what Carl Foreman or

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somebody would like to give our children

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the impression no but I mean similarly

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I'm sure that a lot of the movies have

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been made about the West that you would

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approve of was similar not a true

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picture of the of the West in Orono nor

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of American society I mean I just took

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it to be you know a dramatic expedition

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assuming another certainly not a knock

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at the American Way of life and I'm

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amazed that you know but I read it in

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the research I felt like my god you know

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this extraordinary ultra reaction well

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actually you must realize what was going

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on at that time in our business well I

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was going to that was a heated there was

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a heated thing going on they were a lot

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of people that that were fine writers

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were getting weren't being used and it

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was it was rough on them and that's why

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I took up for that side because Maury

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risking it was a Pulitzer Prize winner I

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couldn't get a job because he didn't

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think exactly like these fellows that's

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what started it not us trying to throw a

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limo hmm I suppose they could turn out

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conversely and say though of course then